Conservative Coalition Gathering in Houston

This morning I attended a gathering of a (conservative) “Coalition of Like-minded Clergy and Laity” at my home parish. Oddly, there was very little advance publicity. Not a fun morning.

The Rev. David Roseberry, rector of Christ Church Plano, was the preacher at the Eucharist and the speaker afterwards. He is a very impressive individual: Smart, articulate, polished, self-assured, good speaker, great presence.

(Update: See the TitusOneNine blog for the prepared text of Roseberry’s remarks; many thanks to the Rev. Dr. Kendall Harmon for posting it and in general for a blog that hosts a lot of lively discussions.)

Sadly, Roseberry hit the nail on the head: The dispute is all about authority, and on that score, there are two different churches in ECUSA. One regards the Bible as inspiring, the other as inspired — and final.

(I would add that the latter group seem not to want to tolerate the former in any position of authority. Roseberry himself said, “I do not have fellowship with the leadership corps of the Episcopal Church. I do with my bishop, but not with the leadership corps.”)

I was bemused by Roseberry’s response to those who say God was doing a new thing at GC 2003. He said, “God doesn’t do new things …. The last new thing he did was Jesus Christ.” I immediately wondered how he (Roseberry) knows, and whether his attitude might be blasphemy per se.

There were 311 people there for the Eucharist, from parishes in various parts of southeast Texas. I looked around and tried to guess the average age; I would say it was at least the mid-50s. I saw one or two people who appeared to be under 30; two or three Hispanics; and one African-American woman. At the Eucharist, the celebrant, the Rev. Scott Blick, invited “all our sisters and brothers in the clergy” to come and stand at the table as “an act of solidarity.” Save for one woman, the priests were all middle-aged men and older. (I say they were invited to come up to “the table” and not the altar because this all took place in the gym, as our main church is being renovated.)

I initially had misgivings about participating in the Eucharist, even though I was at my own parish, because I knew that practically everyone else in the room would regard me as “not in fellowship” with them (to use Roseberry’s term). But I went up for communion anyway, because the Eucharist is about shared history, at least as much as shared beliefs.

The Q&A after Roseberry’s talk was about what you would expect: It was about half questions, half speeches disguised as questions.

The meeting closed with a call to try to elect members to the diocesan council and standing committee who hold sympathetic views.

All in all, it wasn’t exactly an exhilarating morning for me.

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9 responses to “Conservative Coalition Gathering in Houston”

  1. John Wilkins Avatar

    “Doesn’t do new things” and why does he only do Old Things? I mean, I’m relatively a new thing. I’m not 2000 years old, and I have some kind of engagement with God.
    But it is about authority. If you ever have a chance, look up Bruce Lincoln and Authority; and Lakoff’s article on the language of politics.
    I’m now linked to you.
    Second, I’ve been called “creepy scary liberal” by the Canadian conservative news site. [sigh]

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    Anonymous

    “Doesn’t do new things” and why does he only do Old Things? I mean, I’m relatively a new thing. I’m not 2000 years old, and I have some kind of engagement with God.
    But it is about authority. If you ever have a chance, look up Bruce Lincoln and Authority; and Lakoff’s article on the language of politics.
    I’m now linked to you.
    Second, I’ve been called “creepy scary liberal” by the Canadian conservative news site. [sigh]

  3. Mark Avatar
    Mark

    “God doesn’t do new things…” One thing that C.S. Lewis’s Allegory of Love tells me is how very little attention we actually pay to history. Peter Lombard quotes a “supposedly Pythagorean source” with approval… “passionate love of a man’s own wife is adultery.”
    As we look into earlier periods regarding the feelings and beliefs held about sex, desire and love (eros) there has indeed been a definite progress. Whether we think it good or not is another question; but I think it a good that we can now desire our wives (at least) passionately without adultery enterring into it.
    The thought that God does nothing new may be tied to some misconceived platonism… a heart for the timeless and eternal within time, attached to things which are also, necessarily, passing away (temporal). Maybe the whole thing, this whole argument and debate arises these days because we have no true philosphy anymore: all is discredited; but the thoughts are still working in us, half-heard, like blind forces of habit directing thoughtless and un-self-aware children.

  4. Mark Avatar
    Mark

    “God doesn’t do new things…” One thing that C.S. Lewis’s Allegory of Love tells me is how very little attention we actually pay to history. Peter Lombard quotes a “supposedly Pythagorean source” with approval… “passionate love of a man’s own wife is adultery.”
    As we look into earlier periods regarding the feelings and beliefs held about sex, desire and love (eros) there has indeed been a definite progress. Whether we think it good or not is another question; but I think it a good that we can now desire our wives (at least) passionately without adultery enterring into it.
    The thought that God does nothing new may be tied to some misconceived platonism… a heart for the timeless and eternal within time, attached to things which are also, necessarily, passing away (temporal). Maybe the whole thing, this whole argument and debate arises these days because we have no true philosphy anymore: all is discredited; but the thoughts are still working in us, half-heard, like blind forces of habit directing thoughtless and un-self-aware children.

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    Rosenberry in Texas

    Questioning Christian Critiques This Presentation. By David Rosenberry, Rector of a Plano church. He asks “who or what is the source of my authority for making decisions and choices in the world today?…the modernists who believe that new information …

  6. Salt Avatar

    Rosenberry in Texas

    Questioning Christian Critiques This Presentation. By David Rosenberry, Rector of a Plano church. He asks “who or what is the source of my authority for making decisions and choices in the world today?…the modernists who believe that new information …

  7. EP Avatar
    EP

    D.C.:
    It is not as though the issue of sexuality and holy sexual practice hasn’t been raised before, and addressed, by the Church and the Bible.
    Making a divorced man a bishop is wrong, even if ECUSA has done so in the past, and elevating a sexually active unmarried man to bishop is wrong, regardless of whether the man’s sex acts are heterosexual or homosexual. Gene does not see either action (his divorce or his sexual activity) as being sinful.
    This is not a question of God “doing a new thing,” but of man contradicting God.

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    Roseberry in Texas

    Questioning Christian Critiques This Presentation. By David Roseberry, Rector of a Plano church. He asks “who or what is the source of my authority for making decisions and choices in the world today?…the modernists who believe that new information a…

  9. Phil Avatar
    Phil

    While I disagree with Canon Roseberry on the point that God does do “new” things. God certainly does do new things. However, we have a way to determine if a “new thing” is from God or not.
    See our Catechism, p. 853.
    Q. How do we recognize the truths taught by the Holy Spirit?
    A. We recognize the truths to be taught by the Holy Spirit when they are in accord with the Scriptures.
    When someone can show me a passage of Scripture that says approves of homosexual sex, in any form, then we can discuss why we should do away with at least 3000 years of moral teaching. (2000 Christian and at least 1000 Jewish)
    YBIC,
    Phil

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