Creeds vs. Science: Reconciling Two Conflicting Worldviews

Derek at Haligweorc offers some thoughts on how the Apostles’ and Nicene Creeds might be “reconciled,” in a manner of speaking, with a modernist, scientific worldview.  I applaud Derek’s willingness to face these issues with integrity, but must differ with him in some crucial respects.

Different Models

In one regard, Derek hits it right on the money (paragraphing edited, emphasis mine):

. . . [T]he majority of the beliefs in the creed, especially those concerning the first two persons of the Trinity, deal specifically with completely non-reproducible, unpredictable events many of which contradict what we know from our quotidian experience of reproducible data.

. . .  I know how babies are made and I know how dead bodies act. The creeds fly in the face of that knowledge. . . . 

[W]e have no data to prove or disprove the creedal statements except by analogy to repeatable phenomena. We cannot directly access either the moment or acts of creation or the resurrection. At least with creation we can study what remains but even that can not answer questions of causes—it will only demonstrate mechanisms.

The problem, then, is a conflict of worldviews. A literal understanding of the creeds as they were originally intended to be understood is in conflict with a modern scientific worldview.

Now we must ask what to do with this conflict.

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. . .  [W]e can live quite comfortably using insights from a pre-scientific Christian world view to those from a contradictory Newtonian physics perspective mingled with those from a contradictory quantum physics perspective to those of a Platonic universe.

Specifically speaking as an American Pragmatist, I go with the worldview that works. When I’m in “installing computer components” mode, I’m all Newtonian physics. When I’m in “playing cards” mode, I’m all about quantum physics and probability mechanics . . . .

I’m not hegemonic about any of my worldviews. I think that they are all models that serve to describe certain aspects of reality from certain perspectives.

Echoes of Stephen J. Gould

So far, so good.  But then Derek starts down a path I can’t follow (paragraphing and emphasis edited):

When I wonder about my salvation, I go pre-scientific all the way.  . . .  I believe the creeds literally. Scientifically, I can’t tell you how they work. I have no idea how to model the Ascension mathematically—which is the part that ties my logical brain into the worst knot. It also doesn’t bother me that much.

. . .  In living between worldviews I have found a certain amount of power in a scientific worldview, the kind of power that confirms its truth. I can calculate events and have the events turn out a certain way. I have found the beauty of equations replicated in microscopic corners of the world.

But the same is also true of the religious, pre-scientific worldview; I have experienced the power of the resurrection in my life, of the communion of the saints, and God as creator in ways that verify their truth.

While the scientific worldview has power in its realm it cannot touch the spiritual side of my life the way that the creedal truths do. (And the same holds true the other way–science offers far more compelling arguments in the realm of things material.)

As a result when in the field of personal belief I experience a conflict between the creedal worldview and the scientific worldview, I go with the creeds.  I cannot explain them scientifically, I cannot explain the mechanics of the Trinity but I believe it and I believe that it matters for how I live and move in the world.

Derek’s conceptual framework sounds much like the late Stephen J. Gould’s concept of a benign NOMA, nonoverlapping magisteria.  Gould says in part (paragraphing and emphasis mine):

. . . I may, for example, privately suspect that papal insistence on divine infusion of the soul represents a sop to our fears, a device for maintaining a belief in human superiority within an evolutionary world offering no privileged position to any creature.

But I also know that souls represent a subject outside the magisterium of science. My world cannot prove or disprove such a notion, and the concept of souls cannot threaten or impact my domain. [sic]

Moreover, while I cannot personally accept the Catholic view of souls, I surely honor the metaphorical value of such a concept both for grounding moral discussion and for expressing what we most value about human potentiality: our decency, care, and all the ethical and intellectual struggles that the evolution of consciousness imposed upon us.

Gould is on to something in talking about the metaphorical value of the concept of souls.  But as much as I admire his work, I don’t understand how he could have made his statement that the concept of souls cannot threaten or impact his domain.  Directly or indirectly, religious concepts can indeed threaten or impact non-religious domains:  just ask Galileo.  For that matter, ask any non-Muslim resident of a Muslim state under sharia, Islamic law.

The Dangers of Belief Without Evidence

I don’t understand how anyone can “believe” something to be true* when it isn’t supported by observed evidence from the testable realms of God’s creation.  Humanity has a track record of believing things that later proved not to be so — and causing grievous harm as a result.

[* Here, I use the term “belief” in the truth of a proposition synonymously with giving intellectual assent to the proposition.]

To be sure, we can appropriately believe things on a provisional basis.  In this life we can, and must, make bets concerning things we’re not really sure about; we can and do live our lives as though Proposition X were true.   A sensible person does this every day — and is willing to adjust his or her provisional beliefs when they are challenged by new evidence, or by new models that better explain the existing evidence and make testable predictions.

But that’s different from claiming categorically that Proposition X is in fact true, and insisting that the matter has been settled once and for all.  (All categorical statements are bad, including this one.)

Evidence matters.  Evidence is God’s gift to us of his reality, safeguarding us from lapsing into wishful thinking or even solipcism.  Paraphrasing David Paillin, to assert categorically that Proposition X is true, or to assert its truth at all without supporting evidence, is perilously close to idolatry, because it elevates human wishes over the reality that God brought into being.

As Derek correctly notes, the creeds cannot be reconciled with observed evidence.  In many respects I choose to live my life as though the creeds were true.  But there’s no way I can give intellectual assent to much of their content.

Hope

In the closing section of his post, Derek rightly stresses the valule of hope.  Unfortunately, while he turns back toward a pragmatic worldview, he doesn’t quite make it all the way:

One of the reasons that I allow the creeds to trump science too is because of hope. I hope that there is more to life and existence than empirical materialism.

Faith in the creeds allows a belief in the mundus plenior, a world where reality cannot be bounded only by what can be weighed and measured.

There are wonders in the world that our science does not explain. Maybe some day it will but even if it does it will not diminish my belief in something beyond the purely physical. . . .

Where Derek goes astray here is in his seeming opinion that hope is necessarily tied to belief in the Christian creeds.  If this belief were true, how would we explain the existence of hope among Jews, Muslims, Hindus, and other non-Christians?   

To my thinking, hope goes hand in hand with trust in God, viz., with faith.   As one grows, so does the other.  Neither hope nor trust in God requires that we “allow the creeds to trump science” as a prerequisite.

In any case,  it’s admirable of Derek to have identified and confronted these issues so squarely.  Good on ’im, and let’s have more Christians do likewise.

Comments

4 responses to “Creeds vs. Science: Reconciling Two Conflicting Worldviews”

  1. Derek Avatar

    Thanks for the comments. There’s much good stuff here to chew on.
    I’d never encountered Gould’s notion before. I think what I’m talking about is a bit different because he’s specifically talking about non-overlapping areas. I’m talking about living with a multiplicity of worldviews which necessarily overlap. That is to say, I think that most people’s quotidian working definition of reality is a composite drawn from a number of sources that only roughly cohere with one another. More often than not, this working model works fine. The problem is when there are important cases of overlap. Crises that we have no control over seem to bring this up. When I was sick as a child my mom would give me medicine, bundle me in bed, feed me chicken soup, and open up the windows to air out the room. I read at least three different worldviews at work here–one based in faith in pharmacology, one based in Appalachian home remedies, and one still reflecting Elizabethian notions of humours. Here there’s overlap but no real conflict–expect maybe with theories that outside germs shouldn’t be let in. Thus, I entirely agree with your point that “religious concepts can indeed threaten or impact non-religious domains.” But let’s face it, most of the conflicts that I–and probably you–face in our every day lives don’t pose a threat to our health and well-being (with the potential exception of my incense addiction :-D).
    You stated: I don’t understand how anyone can “believe” something to be true* when it isn’t supported by observed evidence from the testable realms of God’s creation. I believe that this was in specific reference to my religious claims. My counter-answer would be this–the experiences of power qualify for me as “observed evidence.” Granted–it’s subjective evidence and I can think of no way to meaure it empirically…except through documentation of how I behave towards my neighbors. My own question in return would be, Do you recognize the existence of anything that is not quantifiable? Must something be measurable for it to be true or real?
    One material correction: Where Derek goes astray here is in his seeming opinion that hope is necessarily tied to belief in the Christian creeds. I don’t think that I either said or implied this. I think some people could and would. I don’t. I see hope as universally accessible. Naturally, I also see it as a theological virtue, but I would in no way restrict it to Christians. I’d even agree with your next line: “To my thinking, hope goes hand in hand with trust in God, viz., with faith. As one grows, so does the other.”
    Does empirical materialism have the answers? Can it provisde more than a two-dimensional world? Are truth and beauty biochemical chimeras?
    Anyway, thanks again for the thoughtful response.

  2. D. C. Avatar

    Derek —
    1. I appreciate your having posted your response here. I wrestled with whether to post my own thoughts above as a comment on your blog instead of as a separate essay. I think that, under blogging etiquette, that should be the presumption, given that you did all the work of writing your original posting. But my response ended up being so long, I figured it was best to post it here, instead of taking up space on your blog.
    2. You ask: Must something be measurable for it to be true or real?
    No. (It’s a categorical statement, and as I noted before, all categorical statements are wrong, including this one.)
    I imagine there are countless things that we would provisionally take as real, as belonging to the physical universe, even though as yet we cannot measure or perhaps even detect them.
    3. You ask: Do you recognize the existence of anything that is not quantifiable?
    At the risk of committing a Clintonism, it depends on what the meaning of “recognize the existence” is.
    I cannot “recognize the existence” of God in the sense of mathematical certainty. I can’t prove he exists in the same sense that I can prove that the sum of the angles of a triangle in Euclidian space is 180 degrees.
    But I can be (and am) sufficiently persuaded of God’s existence that I’m willing to live my life as if he did exist.
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    4. Your question in # 3 above reminded me of another that has been posed to me from time to time by traditionalists: How much proof do I need before I will “believe” that Proposition X is true?
    As framed, the question clearly is incomplete, because it focuses on belief in the abstract.
    Better, I think, to focus instead on action: How much proof do I need that Proposition X is true in order to act as though it were true?
    The answer depends in part on factors such as (i) the nature and likely consequences of the particular action; (ii) the likelihood of an error; and (iii) how non-recoverable an error would be.
    For example, in OJ Simpson’s criminal trial, the jury concluded that the prosecution had not presented enough proof of Simpson’s guilt to justify sending him to prison. We require proof beyond a reasonable doubt before we will deprive a person of his liberty. In part, this is because you can’t give him back his years of imprisonment if it turns out you were wrong.
    Later, in Simpson’s wrongful-death civil trial, the jury concluded that the proof was indeed sufficient to warrant ordering him to pay millions of dollars in damages. Most of his property was confiscated and sold. The legal rationale is that it’s only money, and money can be restored if there’s a mistake.
    Different actions and consequences: different standards of proof. We find other examples in a variety of places, such as Torah and the U.S. Constitution to name but two (each of which requires that certain crimes be proved by the testimony of two witnesses).
    We also find examples in everyday life: If a doctor wanted to freeze a noncancerous growth off my skin during a routine physical exam, I’d quickly agree. But if he wanted to amputate my arm, right there on the spot, to stop the spread of what he claimed was a malignant skin cancer, you can be sure I’d be talking to my wife and getting a second medical opinion before agreeing.
    Let’s go back to standards of proof in the context of belief.
    Suppose that John Doe believes the planet Zebulon to be ruled by giant cats who have access to universal wisdom. In and of itself, that’s probably not a particular concern. John Doe may well recognize that his belief is unsupported by any real-world evidence — in effect, that it’s just a hunch — and therefore he’s not going to take any action based on it. In that case, I don’t have a problem with his belief, wacko as it may (and does) seem.
    But now suppose John Doe is convinced (i) that the Cats of Zebulon have ordered all dogs on earth to be killed; (ii) that their orders must be obeyed; and consequently, (iii) he is duty-bound to break into my house and shoot my dog. His belief has gone way beyond a mere hunch; to put it mildly, I would definitely have a problem with it.
    Let’s back away from this extreme. Suppose John Doe is a candidate for an astrophysics job at NASA, and I’m the one having to decide whether to hire him. I’m certainly going to have a problem with his belief about the Cats of Zebulon, because it makes me seriously question his grip on reality, which is not an unimportant job qualification.
    It seems we have a line-drawing problem: When do we start having problems with other people’s beliefs?
    I can’t come up with an exhaustive list, but personally I have a problem with other people’s beliefs (i) when their actions based on those beliefs cause “harm” to others without “good cause,” however we might define those terms in any given circumstance; or (ii) when their beliefs cause me to lose confidence in their judgment.
    That’s a long-winded answer to your questions; I’m grateful for the thought-provocation.

  3. D. C. Avatar

    Derek, I realized I forgot to address two other questions of yours (I was finishing a lunch break and had to get to a meeting):
    5. Derek says: One material correction: Where Derek goes astray here is in his seeming opinion that hope is necessarily tied to belief in the Christian creeds. I don’t think that I either said or implied this.
    Derek’s original comment in his own blog posting was:

    One of the reasons that I allow the creeds to trump science too is because of hope. I hope that there is more to life and existence than empirical materialism.
    Faith in the creeds allows a belief in the mundus plenior, a world where reality cannot be bounded only by what can be weighed and measured.

    I’ll accept that the word “allows” could be read as non-exclusive, i.e., that it doesn’t completely foreclose other ways to get to hope than by faith in the creeds. But I do think the strong first impression of the quoted text is that hope
    6. Derek asks: Does empirical materialism have the answers? Can it provisde more than a two-dimensional world? Are truth and beauty biochemical chimeras?
    I don’t regard myself as an empirical materialist. Empiricism is perhaps the most important tool in my personal philosophical toolbox, but it’s just a tool.
    I don’t have any reason to think that the “material” world we can currently perceive is all there is; dark matter / dark energy are reason enough to doubt that proposition. Consequently, “materialism” doesn’t seem like a defensible worldview.
    As to truth and beauty being biochemical chimeras: I definitely don’t feel that way about truth. God is what he is, and he has created what he has created. If truth were a chimera, quaere whether empiricism would work as a tool; it clearly does, suggesting that truth is not a chimera. As to beauty being a chimera, I suspect it has to do with the Logos, but that’s a subject for another essay (after a great deal more thought).

  4. Derek Avatar
    Derek

    I’m certainly going to have a problem with his belief about the Cats of Zebulon, because it makes me seriously question his grip on reality, which is not an unimportant job qualification. Okay–so it’s not just me… I have to get you to talk to our HR people… 😀
    On 2-4, it seems that my burden of proof requires a smaller degree of certainty than yours. I find myself willing to make a stand and act a certain way based on a belief I can’t prove rather than going to the intermediate category of “acting as if it were true.” Naming the category in that way puts my teeth on edge.. As a Gen-Xer maybe it just seems too full of potential for hypocrisy. (Not that I’m accusing you of this, of ocurse, I just more willing to state a full out belief in something. And I’m prepared to be wrong about said things.)I hope this doesn’t mean that I’m completely credulous, but I am willing to assert things as truths *for myself* and offer them for the trial and edification of others even when I cannot prove them.
    5. I now see what you’re talking about. I missed that before and didn’t intend it. I was thinking of the first chunk there and missed the potential positivism in the second. I needed to throw a “for me” qualifier in there–I was not intending to speak categorically.
    Thanks for the thoughtful response.

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